tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post2860131955179038986..comments2019-05-14T04:21:40.592-04:00Comments on Horsin' Around: Presious Passion CheatedNetworkEmpowermenthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09053022764177401200noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post-65854186938590071532009-12-28T19:33:11.100-05:002009-12-28T19:33:11.100-05:00I'm a big fan of PP and wondered what happened...I'm a big fan of PP and wondered what happened in the McKnight. Agree that the other horse probably cost him the race. I do wonder though - if Livingston Street was a rabbit, who would he have been a rabbit for? My understanding is that rabbits are usually brought in by an owner or trainer to cook a front runner on behalf of another horse. If I'm not mistaken, Kaplan had no other horse in the race ....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post-4088938016640707942009-12-28T12:17:55.472-05:002009-12-28T12:17:55.472-05:00That's an interesting bit of info Belles, I di...That's an interesting bit of info Belles, I did not know about the confusion of the first turn part. Though, I say interesting because such a lapse in judgement is unbelievable. They had run half a mile and he thought that they had gone the full 12 furlongs. If he is as talented as Anon says I doubt very much that he actually thought that and is trying to cover for the fact that he was only trying to push his horse to pressure PP. The only thing worse is standing up yards before the finish line in the Belmont when on a potential TC winner. I highly doubt that he thought that it was actually the final drive, since the race was 12 furlongs and they had barely run four. Either way it's rather pathetic.NetworkEmpowermenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09053022764177401200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post-67981651436962678912009-12-28T11:32:01.124-05:002009-12-28T11:32:01.124-05:00p.p. was indeed robbed. whipping in the first turn...p.p. was indeed robbed. whipping in the first turn to press p.p.? i can't say as i have ever seen that happen in a big race and this was a big race.puts me in mind of the belmont spectacle of poor smarty getting beat in the backstretch..where did those two horses finish?i heard on hrtv that they thought saez thought the first turn was the finish..hello! saez..is he related to gabe saez?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post-17901793289082343662009-12-28T09:11:05.388-05:002009-12-28T09:11:05.388-05:00I can't fathom how some people are placing the...I can't fathom how some people are placing the 5th place finish soley on Presious Passion...did you not see Livingston Street being whipped? More than a mile from the finish line???Brian Zipsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08592017304873334271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post-59039618971091798772009-12-28T00:33:46.665-05:002009-12-28T00:33:46.665-05:00Joseph,
Amen to that, you got every single po...Joseph,<br /> Amen to that, you got every single point I was trying to make. It wasn't about winning or losing it was about the pushing of another horse beyond their limits, to only worsen the chances of another. I agree with you on LS, I doubt he will ever come back. I am relieve an injury did not occure, but I believe such a race will have, "broken his heart", and fried him. To do that to a horse is wrong, downright flat out wrong.NetworkEmpowermenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09053022764177401200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post-14145837610417069832009-12-28T00:15:50.742-05:002009-12-28T00:15:50.742-05:00If I may add to what everyone else has said, I thi...If I may add to what everyone else has said, I think it was shameful to the sport what happened in that race. And I think as part of the racing community we should be heard as a voice, and there should be an inquiry. Regardless of how PP finished, thats racing...and should be seen as we'll live to race another day. But the real crime is that a horse was put in there and abused to simply pressure another horse. Put Livingston Street on your equibase stable and lets all see if/when he ever makes it back. I wouldn't be the least surprised to see him disapear after that. A lot of horses would be fried, if not damaged. I'm very curious to see what happens next. This isn't over.<br /> But if we're all dedicated to the sport as it sounds, then write/call the stewards. Write the trainer and the jocks agent. And whether the trainer told him to or not, the jock did the hitting. This is a discrace to a sport holding on by it's fingernails. Don't let time fade the McKnight from our minds!Joseph McCownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post-39462218130193760302009-12-27T20:14:29.409-05:002009-12-27T20:14:29.409-05:00Anon,
You lost any credibility when you call ...Anon,<br /> You lost any credibility when you call PP a she. Look at the records and you will see a G next to PP's name, that G stands for gelding, which is in fact a castrated MALE. You also lost credibility in going off point. I don't care about an off day, I care that an OVERMATCHED horse was WHIPPED to pressure and try to ruin the chances of another. That is the point of this blog, not bleeding or "asking Mary."NetworkEmpowermenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09053022764177401200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post-46196285499063090672009-12-27T20:09:47.062-05:002009-12-27T20:09:47.062-05:00my dear accept the pure unadulterated fact....the ...my dear accept the pure unadulterated fact....the passion was not on her game......she gave it up 2 furlongs out......the significant thing is that she raced with first time lasix......that means she bled prior to the race......i guarantee you she was nopt wound tight for this race...ask mary.....i'll be eagerly looking forward to her next race,2nd time lasix i will wager a pretty penny on her in the exotics and you know what the price will be appreciably better,so dani its not as bad or unfair as you see it.....their was nothing wrong or unfair about that race....precious passion was not prepared to run a genuinely run mile and half.....bottom line.....period....dont believe me....just ask MARY!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post-3221859315672780172009-12-27T19:05:19.675-05:002009-12-27T19:05:19.675-05:00Anon,
FYI, it is a lot easier to run fast spl...Anon,<br /> FYI, it is a lot easier to run fast splits uncontested than it is with pressure, which is why many frontrunners get brave when left alone on the lead. Also you cannot compare times from different tracks. Monmouth, where PP ran a course record is know for it's ability to favor speed and SA is a rock hard turf course that produces fast times. Your anaylsis on Saez, I could careless about the abilities he has, he whipped, WHIPPED an overmatched horse into contention in a pace he had no business pressuring. I can understand trying to pressure, but when there is no way you can keep up with the other horse, back off, don't whip your horse to try and force the issue. You also say that LS was not used as a rabbit, then tell me why Saes whipped his horse to get him on to even terms to pressure PP. That is the sole purpose of a rabbit, except these days jockeys don't whip their horses when they find out they are out run. To WHIP him to get to the front, to just get onto even terms with PP, before the final drive had yet to come is down right wrong.NetworkEmpowermenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09053022764177401200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post-40573126279484200602009-12-27T18:45:06.220-05:002009-12-27T18:45:06.220-05:00fyi,precious passion raced with first time lasix,...fyi,precious passion raced with first time lasix,that tells us that something was different with the horse an old pro like this will do better next time around........saez did nothig wrong and his horse was not being used as a rabbit...check the turn times for the race and you will notice that the splits were slow compared to passions usual standards...it was an offday as far as i can see and maybe just maybe this was just a pipe opener for gulfstream and later on...i think that was the plan...ask mary...only that cloudy had other plans as you might have noticed a well earned hiatus....also to whom this might concern,in LUIS SAEZ we are definitely looking at one of the future great riders thats on the scene......with a little luck,a lot of passion and the right priorities he will be a major contributor/competitor....this kid is chock full of talent/abilities,he has all the tools and more.......long live luis saez the reigning king of all apprentices and more.......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post-58725155933382472472009-12-27T17:54:40.272-05:002009-12-27T17:54:40.272-05:00I consider that possiblity as well anon, but I als...I consider that possiblity as well anon, but I also say to myself even with instructions to pressure PP, the jock should not have gone to the extent of whipping a horse that was already all out to stay with PP to give even more, just so he could pressure PP. Also, I know that as a jock you follow instructions to get more business, but I would not if it would cost the horse. The jock is the one riding the horse and will be held responsible if something goes wrong. Can you imagine the outcry that would have come if LS had broken down because he was so leg weary he to a bad step. PETA would be all over that and would crying cruelty to animals because the jock pushed the horse to keep up, even though he was outmatched and had no real shot to begin with.NetworkEmpowermenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09053022764177401200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549541742555961000.post-6100111638203045672009-12-27T17:34:42.231-05:002009-12-27T17:34:42.231-05:00My question is, was it the jockey's fault or d...My question is, was it the jockey's fault or did the trainer give him instructions to pressure Presious Passion?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com